Facebook – Sri Ramana Maharshi Teachings. श्री रमण महर्षि के उपदेश with Raju Upadhyay.
**** Importance of Naam Mantra ****
Q: I have heard that Nisargadatta Maharaj initiated very few Westerners into the lineage because he considered them to be spiritual travellers. You are one of the very few, if not the only one, who is offering the Naam Mantra. We are very fortunate. What made you decide to do this, Maharaj?
Ramakant Maharaj: To make seekers enlightened.
To share knowledge with them, (in order) to remove them from the illusionary world.
Q: Do we really need to meditate?
Ramakant Maharaj: You see, from childhood until now, there has been a lot of attachment to the body, a lifetime of impressions, a lot of love and affection with the body.
All body-related relations are there.
This has to be dissolved.
Of course, meditation is also an illusion, but we need to use a thorn to remove another thorn.
And remember, this is just at the initial stage for focus, concentration, to CONCENTRATE ON THE CONCENTRATOR.
The body is not your identity.
You are ‘Final Truth’, ‘Ultimate Truth.
But in order to have this total conviction, all concepts and body knowledge need to dissolve.
We may understand everything intellectually, but intellectual understanding is not enough.
Therefore, you have to undergo the meditation.
It is essential at the beginning.
Later, at the advanced stage, it is no longer required.
In our lineage,(the Inchegiri Navnath Sampradaya), we are giving a mantra, some words, chanting these words. However, the mantra is not given to those who already have a Master.
Q: How does the mantra work?
Ramakant Maharaj: First, I have to tell you that the mantra, (the Master Key), is to be kept secret.
YOU MUST NOT REVEAL IT TO ANYONE.
So, how does it work?
The spirit is very sensitive.
Whatever is impressed upon it, is reflected.
You have forgotten your real identity, so the mantra reminds you of this.
The meaning of the mantra is ‘I AM BRAHMAN, BRAHMAN I AM’. The mantra produces vibrations within you, and through these vibrations, as you continue to recite the mantra, you will come to know the Reality.
Slowly, silently and permanently, after concentrating, you will feel some changes within you.
Your body knowledge will be dissolved.
You will be totally fearless because you will know “I am not the body”. ALL NEEDS ARE BODY-RELATED NEEDS: NEED OF GOD, NEED OF FOOD, NEED OF HAPPINESS,
NEED OF PEACE – all body-related.
When you came across with the body, all needs started.
PRIOR TO BEINGNESS, NO NEEDS WERE THERE, NO FEAR WAS THERE.
That said, look after the body, do your job, do your duties.
Do not neglect your body.
This is a precious opportunity.
Q: So, meditating regularly will help to bring about a shift, a change?
“Meditation is the base, the starting process to ensure that a perfect foundation, a strong foundation is laid.
As you recite this mantra, YOU ARE REMINDING YOUR ‘UNIDENTIFIED IDENTITY’, THAT YOU ARE ATMAN, BRAHMAN, PARAMATMAN.”
Maharaj continues: “You know Reality, but you have forgotten Reality.
Everybody has the Knowledge of their Reality within them, but THIS PROCESS OF MEDITATION IS NEEDED FOR CONVICTION, TO ESTABLISH AND ABSORB THE KNOWLEDGE. Dry knowledge, bookish knowledge or literal knowledge is not Self-Knowledge. MEDITATION ALONE WILL LEAD TO SELF-KNOWLEDGE.”
Q: When reciting the mantra, the question sometimes arises “Who is reciting?”
Ramakant Maharaj: Ah! “Who is reciting?”
The question came because you have body attachment.
There is no ‘Who?’, there is no ‘He’, ‘She’.
There is nothing.
These are just the terms, the body-related terms.
WHO IS RECITING THE MANTRA? THE CONCENTRATOR, THE INVISIBLE PRESENCE.
Why are you reciting it?
Because you forgot your identity.
While reciting, YOU ARE INVITING THE ATTENTION OF THE ‘INVISIBLE PRESENCE’ – YOUR ULTIMATE TRUTH.
So at the initial stage, you have to recite it deliberately.
After continuous reciting, it will happen spontaneously, without your knowledge for 24 hours – waking, dreaming, all the time.”
“The terms ‘he’, ‘she’, ‘it’ are only used for understanding purposes. Guessing, logic or inference are not applicable to (the task of), knowing yourself in a real sense. Why?
BECAUSE YOUR EXISTENCE IS ‘SPONTANEOUS EXISTENCE’. How were you prior to Beingness?
How will you be, after leaving the body?
What is your identity?
Here, we conclude, that the identity is the same as it is today.
The only difference is that you are holding the body.
So, again, I repeat, body knowledge has to be erased completely, and for this to happen, you have to meditate.”
Q.Maharaj, I have been reciting the mantra for some time now, and it is now happening spontaneously, just as you said it would. Also, the effects of the meditation are now showing. There’s an almost tangible quality present, such as stunning silence and peace and emptiness, to use your word, ‘CleaReality’.There is just spontaneous happiness that is causeless.
Ramakant Maharaj: “You are operating the Master Key (Naam Mantra), with deep involvement, and so it is bringing you closer to Selfless Self. The spontaneous happiness is the fragrance of Selfless Self. This means that the Knowledge is being absorbed. Very nice. Embrace Selfless Self and go deeper and deeper.”
“You see, when you go deep and deep within the Selfless Self, you will find so many things, beyond your imagination.
You will forget this external or internal identity.
YOU WILL REMAIN UNKNOWN TO YOU.
NO KNOWLEDGE IS KNOWLEDGE.
NO KNOWLEDGE IS KNOWLEDGE.”
“WHATEVER KNOWLEDGE IS ROOTED TO THE BODY IS ILLUSION. YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF BRAHMAN, ATMAN, PARAMATMAN IS ALSO ILLUSION.
These are just the words, only W-O-R-D-S, (the Master spells it out). It is OK, maybe giving you some pleasure, momentary happiness, a little entertainment, BUT IT IS NOT ULTIMATE TRUTH.”
Ramakant Maharaj: The Naam Mantra is very important.
People say “I have got knowledge, why do I need the Naam mantra?”That’s OK, but if you want to know yourself perfectly, if you want to identify yourself perfectly, the process of Naam Mantra is most, most important. Humanity is having a lot of knowledge about Brahman, Atman, Paramatman, all these things, but it is not practical.
It is just (knowledge)for discussion, it is dry knowledge.
Q: Some followers of Nisargadatta Maharaj claim that they themslves have practical knowledge, without the Naam Mantra. Some people claim that it is enough to read Nisargadatta Maharaj’s books and follow his instructions. They claim to have found absolute knowledge, the absolute state, without the Naam Mantra.
Ramakant Maharaj: It is not a question of finding the ultimate stage, because whatever is found, is found against the backdrop of body-based knowledge.
Here, (Maharaj points to his body), the body-based knowledge is here, inside. So, unless it is dissolved, whatever you are building on top of it, will collapse. It is the basic, fundamental requirement.
Q: What you are saying is that knowledge cannot be built on the body-base foundation?
Ramakant Maharaj: People who are attending to spirituality, without the Naam Mantra, and saying “I’ve got knowledge”, it’s OK, but it is only a temporary relief.
Q: We need to dissolve the body knowledge first, and we need the help of the Mantra to do this?
Ramakant Maharaj: So one should undergo this process.
I will give you an example of a great philosopher and politician, about 65-70 years old.
He spent about 5 or 6 months, discussing spiritual matters with Maharaj(ie Nisargadatta). He was very well-read in philosophy, the Vedas, Janeshwar, Tukaram, etc, etc.
Then one day, he announced to Maharaj, “I know your knowledge very well, but, it is not so impressed inside me.
Nisargadatta Maharaj used the analogy of a creeper/climber plant to respond:“You know the creeper plant that grows on walls?
How did it grow like that?
It is because the seeds were planted and took root under the enclosed ground in the correct environment(ie beside a wall to hold on to). So like that, spiritual knowledge should be rooted through Masters only (Master is like the wall). If you try and plant the creeper seed elsewhere, it won’t work”.
Maharaj continues: So, you must follow this guru mantra process, at the initial stage. It makes the perfect foundation for your spiritual knowledge. But everyone has different opinions.
Q: Did Nisargadatta Maharaj want people to take the Mantra?
He never insisted on any person – whether he was great or famous or foreign – to, say, “take the mantra and be my disciple”.
It happened spontaneously, like with the politician I mentioned.
He decided for himself, and said to Nisargadatta Maharaj,
“Now, I want to take the Guru Mantra”.
For him, it became important and essential.
Q: Are there other ways of getting there, of reaching the Absolute?
Ramakant Maharaj: “There’s other ways, like if you have strong devotion(Maharaj makes a fist and shakes it in the air), like Ekalavya(from the Mahabharata).
So it is not impossible to do it by another way.
But casual reading and casual enlightenment is not so easy.
We need total involvement, with a strong desire to find out, like “Yes, I want to know the Reality. I HAVE to know”.
And you HAVE to surrender totally to the Master – whosoever the Master may be. That is also very important.
Q: What if you are devoted to a Master who is no longer in the body, Maharaj?
Ramakant Maharaj: His presence may not be there in life,
may not be in existence, but if the involvement is very strong, then it is also possible. But perfect devotion rarely happens.
It is difficult because there should not be any type of dual mind.
Q: And Maharaj, do you want people to take the Mantra?
Ramakant Maharaj: I am not insisting on anything.
So many people are coming to me, but I am not insisting that they take the Mantra,
the Guru Mantra, that they be my disciples.
With them, I am openly discussing all the spiritual secrets.
I am not keeping anything to myself.
I am giving them all the secrets.
What effect all this Knowledge has on them, that is up to them. Some people are impressed deeply, others not so much.
Some feel it is important to take initiation and others are not interested. So it is different for everybody.
And also it depends on their spiritual maturity.